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Advisory Group minutes 05/11/09
3rd December 2009

Notes of the Meeting of The Cotswold Airport Advisory Group

 

Thursday 5th November 2009 at 2pm in The Committee Rooms

Cotswold District Council  Trinity Road  Cirencester  Gloucestershire

 

 

Present:           From Cotswold Airport:            Lee Paul

                                                                        Suzanna Harvey

                                                                        Nick Howard

 

                        From Wiltshire Council:            Graham Steady

                                                                        John Freegard

                                                                        Allan Brown

 

                        From Cotswold District

                        Council:                                   Andy Fotherby - Chair          

                                                                        Bhavna Patel                          

                                                                        Kevin Field

                                                                        Ray Brassington

                                                                        Nigel Bowsher

                                                                        Colin Davies

                                                                        Kate Bishop   

                                                                        Susan Gargett

                                                                        Councillor John Birch

                                                                        Councillor Jim Parsons

 

1.         Apologies were received from Nike Napper of Cotswold District Council,

Charles Mondahl of Cotswold Airport and Paul Taylor from Wiltshire Council.

 

2.         Andy Fotherby, as Chairman, welcomed those present to the Group.  The Chair stated his hope that the meeting would be the first of many.  He said that he felt sure all present would agree that there had been a difficult period over the last few years and it was time to try and address issues before they become problems.  He expressed a wish for better communication between the various groups represented around the table.

 

3.         The Chair introduced the purpose of the Group.  He reiterated that the chief purpose of the Group was to identify when there may be a problem in the future and attempt to address that problem before matters deteriorated.  He urged openness and frankness between the various groups represented.  The Chair then asked representatives of Cotswold Airport for their views.  Lee Paul said that, as far as the Airport was concerned, dialogue was very important.  He also reiterated that the Airport did wish to try and address any complaints made and also have more openness and discussion about future development and uses at the Airport.

 

            The Chair asked representatives of Wiltshire Council for their views and they indicated that they were very much in accordance with those expressed by him  and Mr Paul.

 

4.         Communications

 

            John Birch said that if local residents knew what was happening at the Airport then there would be fewer complaints.  Lee Paul picked up on the new name for Kemble Airfield.  He said that the re-branding of the Airfield as Cotswold Airport may well have caused concern among residents.  Mr Birch agreed that if, at a Parish Council Meeting, the word Airport was mentioned, then those Members would immediately think of passenger flights and a new terminal being built. 

 

            The Chair asked if the Airport had done anything to allay the public’s fears about the re-branding.  Nick Howard said that there had been nothing specific but the Airport was always open to visitors and he was more than happy to meet with Members of the public.

 

            Bhavna Patel asked representatives of the Airport if they would consider attending Parish Council Meetings.  Lee Paul thought that it was something that ought to be done.  John Birch pointed out that such a Meeting would have to be well structured and he advised that the Airport present a full list of what is to go on next year at the Airport so that the residents know what is coming.

 

Action:            Co-ordination of such a Meeting with the Parish Council, by both Authorities, AF was suggested by the Chair.  There was general acceptance of this.

 

            Suzanna Harvey did point out that Glenn Moreman now sends out an e-mail to the local community regarding activities going on at the Airport and made it clear that complaints have now almost disappeared.

 

            The Chair said that he had prepared some stated aims of the Group which he read out and said he would circulate to Members by e-mail for comment and approval.  The stated aims were:

           

            All members of the Group to update, review and where possible, resolve all issues relating to:-

 

(i)                 possible future changes in activity

(ii)               possible future developments

(iii)             current activities

(iv)             mitigating against future complaints

(v)               improving communications between Cotswold and Wiltshire Councils,  Cotswold Airport, local Parish Councils, residents and businesses

(vi)             such activities that may cause concern to local authorities and surrounding communities.

 

 

 

Action:            John Birch wondered if the Chair could write to all Chairman of Parish

AF       Councils asking them to channel their concerns through the Advisory Group          since currently Members of Parish Councils were doing their own thing and   forming their own separate groups which ultimately could lead to difficulties at times.

 

            The Chair said that he would very much like to improve web sites.  Bhavna Patel suggested that if Cotswold Airport, on its own web site, advertised an event and then subsequently there were complaints, on the web site the Airport could indicate what complaints were made and what has been done to address those complaints.

 

            Nick Howard said that the Airport could improve its web site by putting all the events on the front page.  Kevin Field suggested a further improvement by way of a weekly update on the web site.

 

            The Chair reiterated that presently the local community feels that the Council is not doing anything.  

 

            A discussion then followed about complaints.  Nigel Bowsher remarked that many of the complaints made against Cotswold Airport were not generated over a weekend but were generated over time.  The main complaints are about noise emanating from motor sport.  Suzanna Harvey stated that the Airport had stopped “track days” with the exclusion of straight line F1 testing.

 

 

Action:            There was also some discussion about the 28 day rule.  It was felt that a

AF       separate Meeting should take place to discuss this, in particular what           constitutes a “day” within that rule and definition of the planning unit.  It was         pointed out that the 28 day rule is not relevant to consideration of statutory     nuisance.

 

5.         With regard to activities of concern to the community Lee Paul mentioned that the Airport does write to Wiltshire Council and Cotswold District Council about construction of buildings at the Airport under permitted development rights.  To date, there has been no response from Wiltshire Council and sporadic response from Cotswold District Council.  Graham Steady asked for copies of letters that had not received a response from Wiltshire Council to be e-mailed to him and he undertook to ensure that they received a response.

 

            John Birch suggested that it might be worthwhile putting a paragraph on the Airport’s web site indicating when a new building is being erected pursuant to permitted development rights.  Kevin Field suggested that a plan showing the location of that building should be put on the web site also.

 

            Lee Paul accepted that noise was identified as the chief concern of local residents and that about 85% of that noise was car noise.

 

            Graham Steady said that if the Airport could compile a full schedule of what is planned and/or going on at the Airport throughout the year would be immensely useful.

 

6.         Representatives of the Airport said that, as far as Formula 1 testing was concerned, all teams have been restricted to 4 days only next year.  Up to 6 Formula 1 teams may be testing, however.  It was reiterated by Kate Bishop that it would be prudent to have a separate Meeting about the Formula 1 car testing and other motorsport use because it was on the brink of becoming a serious problem.

 

            Allan Brown asked representative of the Airport what the purpose of the Formula 1 testing was.  Nick Howard said that it was for the testing of engines or aerofoils.

 

Suzanna Harvey wondered if it might be an idea to open up the Formula 1 testing days to the community so that members of the public could see what was going on.  There was some enthusiasm for this.

 

            Nick Howard said that the difficulty came because the Formula 1 teams gave very little notice that they would be testing and this did not give the Airport much time to notify the local community. 

 

7.         With regards to the complaints procedure Lee Paul said that the Airport has its own web site based complaints procedure.  The Chair asked if there were penalties imposed on persistent offenders flying over residential properties.  Nick Howard said that there were not because for the majority of the time no law was being broken.

 

            John Freegard pointed out that aircraft noise is not subject to control through statutory nuisance and that Wiltshire Council has not received complaints about flying.  Colin Davies said that Cotswold District Council occasionally receives complaints about flying.

 

            Ray Brassington asked if a complainant would always get a response.  Suzanna Harvey said that complainants would always get a response.  Nick Howard also pointed out that occasionally complaints are made to Cotswold Airport about planes which have not actually taken off from the Airport but from other airfields.

 

8.         Future attendance at Meetings was then discussed.  The Chair said that he envisaged two sets of Meetings; Strategic and Operational.  John Birch suggested that the Ward Member on the Wiltshire side should be invited to the Strategic meetings and this was approved.  It was further agreed that Andy Fotherby would chair the further Strategic and Operational meetings.

 

9.         The Chair will set up a date for the separate Meeting about Formula 1 testing Action:        and a date in early December is to be preferred.  A calendar of regular

AF       Meetings of the Advisory Group will then be drawn up by the Chair and    circulated to Members of the Group.